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Is God Softening my heart Again?
As I have grown more and more as a Christian, I have struggled with some issues of Secular vs. Christianity, and things like that. One issue I have troubles with is Gay Marriages. As a Christian I am against it. And feel if I were to not vote, or vote for it, I would be betraying my Christian faith.
A couple nights ago, reading Mere Christianity by C.S. Lewis. I'm reading where he speaks of Christian marriages and brings up divorce. He says "I should like to distinguish two tings which are very often confused. The Christian conception of marriage is one: the other is the quite different question - how far Christians, if they are voters or Members of Parliament, ought to try to force their views of marriage on the rest of the community by embodying them in the divorce laws. A [b]Great many people think that if you are Christian yourself you should try to make divorce difficult for every one[/b]. I do not think that. "
He goes on to say "My own view is that the Churches should frankly recognize that the majority of the British people are not Christians and, therefore, cannot be expected to live Christian lives. There ought to be two distinct kinds of marriage: one governed by the State with rules enforced on all citizens, the other governed by the Church with rules enforced by her on her own members. "
As I read this, I felt a stirring in my heart. Wouldn't it be the same for Gay marriages? Does this mean, that as I believe Homosexuality is a sin, and that gay marriages should not be recognized by Christians, that as far as Government I should not fight it, protest against it, or vote against it? ... Course I would not be voteing for it as well.
I just wonder if too much time and energy is being spent on things like huge campaigns to stop gay marriages rather then worshiping God, and Teaching His Word, and being an example of Jesus?
A couple nights ago, reading Mere Christianity by C.S. Lewis. I'm reading where he speaks of Christian marriages and brings up divorce. He says "I should like to distinguish two tings which are very often confused. The Christian conception of marriage is one: the other is the quite different question - how far Christians, if they are voters or Members of Parliament, ought to try to force their views of marriage on the rest of the community by embodying them in the divorce laws. A [b]Great many people think that if you are Christian yourself you should try to make divorce difficult for every one[/b]. I do not think that. "
He goes on to say "My own view is that the Churches should frankly recognize that the majority of the British people are not Christians and, therefore, cannot be expected to live Christian lives. There ought to be two distinct kinds of marriage: one governed by the State with rules enforced on all citizens, the other governed by the Church with rules enforced by her on her own members. "
As I read this, I felt a stirring in my heart. Wouldn't it be the same for Gay marriages? Does this mean, that as I believe Homosexuality is a sin, and that gay marriages should not be recognized by Christians, that as far as Government I should not fight it, protest against it, or vote against it? ... Course I would not be voteing for it as well.
I just wonder if too much time and energy is being spent on things like huge campaigns to stop gay marriages rather then worshiping God, and Teaching His Word, and being an example of Jesus?
Gay.
Before I begin, I'd like to say that I'm not really keen on arguing anybody about this blog, so if you comment looking for a debate I don't think you're going to get it.
Alright, I'm tired of seeing all these irrelevant arguments involving gay marriages. I mean, seriously. What kinds am I talking about?
* If you allow gays to get married, next you'll be wanting people to be able to marry their dogs and other pets!!
- This argument is stupid. There's nothing more I can say than: two people of the same sex are just that, two PEOPLE. A dog cannot consent; two wo/men can.
* You'll also want to allow pedos to marry children! Equal rights for EVERYONE is what you want, RIGHT?
- (And yes, I HAVE seen people say this). Right but wrong at the same time. True, I want equal rights, but that doesn't mean pedophiles should marry children. Like I said before, marriage should be between two ADULTS. Children cannot consent, therefore pedophiles cannot marry children.
* Well, they can't have children!
- Your point? I honestly don't get why people use this fact as a reason to not allow gay people to get married. I mean, they're not going to have children even if they DON'T get married. They're still going to be together, whether they call it marriage or not. Also, what about straight couples that can't have or don't even want kids? Sorry, you can't procreate so you can't get married.
Well, I had more but the thing that I saw that inspired this entry has been deleted and I've forgot what else was on my mind about this issue. Again, I don't want to debate about this issue right now, I just wanted to get this out.
Alright, I'm tired of seeing all these irrelevant arguments involving gay marriages. I mean, seriously. What kinds am I talking about?
* If you allow gays to get married, next you'll be wanting people to be able to marry their dogs and other pets!!
- This argument is stupid. There's nothing more I can say than: two people of the same sex are just that, two PEOPLE. A dog cannot consent; two wo/men can.
* You'll also want to allow pedos to marry children! Equal rights for EVERYONE is what you want, RIGHT?
- (And yes, I HAVE seen people say this). Right but wrong at the same time. True, I want equal rights, but that doesn't mean pedophiles should marry children. Like I said before, marriage should be between two ADULTS. Children cannot consent, therefore pedophiles cannot marry children.
* Well, they can't have children!
- Your point? I honestly don't get why people use this fact as a reason to not allow gay people to get married. I mean, they're not going to have children even if they DON'T get married. They're still going to be together, whether they call it marriage or not. Also, what about straight couples that can't have or don't even want kids? Sorry, you can't procreate so you can't get married.
Well, I had more but the thing that I saw that inspired this entry has been deleted and I've forgot what else was on my mind about this issue. Again, I don't want to debate about this issue right now, I just wanted to get this out.
Shiny's Politically Relevant Top Five List
Top 5 Reasons Why The Gays Shouldn't Be Allowed to Marry:
(1) Wedding planning. If gay men get married, I'm convinced that they'll stop focusing on planning the incredibly fabulous straight weddigs and simply plan their own shindigs. Straight weddings will become dull and borning. Perhaps this is what President Bush meant about the way that same-sex marriages will devalue straight marriages -- maybe he meant "weddings."
(2) "Dude, where's my awkward moment?" Probably the most fun you can have at a wedding is to see Grandma or a Great-Aunt there, mingling about and being happy as can be. And they get to see the bride and groom and all of the siblings and cousins who are growing up so fast and who look so adorable and so handsome. And then finally they question aloud: I wonder when Cousin Richard will finally settle down and get married. And then everyone smiles nervously and stays silent, or, perhaps, tries to change the subject, not suggesting to Grandma that Cousin Richard is a "confirmed bachelor."
If gay marriages are permitted? The conversation is less awkward. Hence -- less fun.
(3) Nuestro Himno: Let's say for a moment that they let the lesbians get married. You know all the hoopla which ensued when there was the threat of the Mexicans coming to our country and changing our national anthem to the Spanish version of it? Imagine the reaction when Wagner's Wedding March is replaced by some sensitive ballad sung by Ani DiFranco. Replacing Wagner and what Wagner stood for is simply UnAmerican.
(4) What if it doesn't work? In straight marriages, there's an option to separate and dissolve the union. But (at least at this writing) I can confirm that neither the Catholic Church or Orthodox Judaism recognizes gay divorce. Which means if two same-sex lovebirds somehow realize after-the-fact that it isn't meant to be, they're pretty much stuck at a dead-end on a one way street.
(5) My Fellow Americans: You may disagree on the interpretations of Biblical sources. Or on issues of morality and ethics. But I will tell you this from a completely biological point of view: There's significantly less of a chance of the biological offspring from a same-sex union will become a winning contestant on NBC's Deal or No Deal than there is of the biological offspring of a man and a woman. It's just that simple.
Have I forgotten any?
(1) Wedding planning. If gay men get married, I'm convinced that they'll stop focusing on planning the incredibly fabulous straight weddigs and simply plan their own shindigs. Straight weddings will become dull and borning. Perhaps this is what President Bush meant about the way that same-sex marriages will devalue straight marriages -- maybe he meant "weddings."
(2) "Dude, where's my awkward moment?" Probably the most fun you can have at a wedding is to see Grandma or a Great-Aunt there, mingling about and being happy as can be. And they get to see the bride and groom and all of the siblings and cousins who are growing up so fast and who look so adorable and so handsome. And then finally they question aloud: I wonder when Cousin Richard will finally settle down and get married. And then everyone smiles nervously and stays silent, or, perhaps, tries to change the subject, not suggesting to Grandma that Cousin Richard is a "confirmed bachelor."
If gay marriages are permitted? The conversation is less awkward. Hence -- less fun.
(3) Nuestro Himno: Let's say for a moment that they let the lesbians get married. You know all the hoopla which ensued when there was the threat of the Mexicans coming to our country and changing our national anthem to the Spanish version of it? Imagine the reaction when Wagner's Wedding March is replaced by some sensitive ballad sung by Ani DiFranco. Replacing Wagner and what Wagner stood for is simply UnAmerican.
(4) What if it doesn't work? In straight marriages, there's an option to separate and dissolve the union. But (at least at this writing) I can confirm that neither the Catholic Church or Orthodox Judaism recognizes gay divorce. Which means if two same-sex lovebirds somehow realize after-the-fact that it isn't meant to be, they're pretty much stuck at a dead-end on a one way street.
(5) My Fellow Americans: You may disagree on the interpretations of Biblical sources. Or on issues of morality and ethics. But I will tell you this from a completely biological point of view: There's significantly less of a chance of the biological offspring from a same-sex union will become a winning contestant on NBC's Deal or No Deal than there is of the biological offspring of a man and a woman. It's just that simple.
Have I forgotten any?
Gay Marriage Issue + Smart Assery = Good times.
If you've known me all that long, you know that I am very adamant and outspoken when it comes to the issue of legalizing gay marriages. Well, I recently found a story from a few years ago (2002, I believe) that not only matches my outlook on things, but also utilizes my favorite kind of debate tool: Sarcasm and satire.
You see, there is a woman, one Dr. Laura Schlessinger, whom is a radio personality that dispenses advice to people who call in to her radio show. On one occasion she said that, as an observant Orthodox Jew, homosexuality is an abomination according to Leviticus 18:22 and cannot be condoned under any circumstance. The following is an open letter to Dr. Laura penned by an east coast resident, which was posted on the Internet.
People like Jim are my hero. Hoorah! :D
You see, there is a woman, one Dr. Laura Schlessinger, whom is a radio personality that dispenses advice to people who call in to her radio show. On one occasion she said that, as an observant Orthodox Jew, homosexuality is an abomination according to Leviticus 18:22 and cannot be condoned under any circumstance. The following is an open letter to Dr. Laura penned by an east coast resident, which was posted on the Internet.
Dear Dr. Laura:
Thank you for doing so much to educate people regarding God's Law. I have learned a great deal from your show, and try to share that knowledge with as many people as I can. When someone tries to defend the homosexual lifestyle, for example, I simply remind them that Leviticus 18:22 clearly states it to be an abomination. End of debate. I do need some advice from you, however, regarding some of the other specific laws and how to follow them:
When I burn a bull on the altar as a sacrifice, I know it creates a pleasing odor for the Lord - Lev.1:9. The problem is my neighbors. They claim the odor is not pleasing to them. Should I smite them?
I would like to sell my daughter into slavery, as sanctioned in Exodus 21:7. In this day and age, what do you think would be a fair price for her?
I know that I am allowed no contact with a woman while she is in her period of menstrual uncleanliness - Lev.15:19- 24. The problem is, how do I tell? I have tried asking, but most women take offense.
Lev. 25:44 states that I may indeed possess slaves, both male and female, provided they are purchased from neighboring nations. A friend of mine claims that this applies to Mexicans, but not Canadians. Can you clarify? Why can't I own Canadians?
I have a neighbor who insists on working on the Sabbath. Exodus 35:2 clearly states he should be put to death. Am I morally obligated to kill him myself?
A friend of mine feels that even though eating shellfish is an abomination - Lev. 11:10, it is a lesser abomination than homosexuality. I don't agree. Can you settle this?
Lev. 21:20 states that I may not approach the altar of God if I have a defect in my sight. I have to admit that I wear reading glasses. Does my vision have to be 20/20, or is there some wiggle room here?
Most of my male friends get their hair trimmed, including the hair around their temples, even though this is expressly forbidden by Lev. 19:27. How should they die?
I know from Lev. 11:6-8 that touching the skin of a dead pig makes me unclean, but may I still play football if I wear gloves?
My uncle has a farm. He violates Lev. 19:19 by planting two different crops in the same field, as does his wife by wearing garments made of two different kinds of thread (cotton/polyester blend). He also tends to curse and blaspheme a lot. Is it really necessary that we go to all the trouble of getting the whole town together to stone them? - Lev.24:10-16. Couldn't we just burn them to death at a private family affair like we do with people who sleep with their in-laws? (Lev. 20:14)
I know you have studied these things extensively, so I am confident you can help. Thank you again for reminding us that God's word is eternal and unchanging.
Your devoted fan,
Jim
People like Jim are my hero. Hoorah! :D
Non-believers
It's so frustrating trying to get someone so deeply involved with either another religion or hating God, to accept him as their savior. Completely, and totally. Yes, come into Christianity. It frustrates me that the extent of my doing is telling them about how awesome it is. God has to carry them the rest of the way. All you can do is pray. It frustrates me when something's out of my control. I know, I should have more faith. I should stop wanting to do everything myself. I think I'd feel a lot more whole if I let the Holy Spirit just take control. I don't know.
I don't understand how people involved with witchcraft, and gays, think they're so right. Nobody is always right, 100% of the time. But God is. So who are we to decide what's right and what's wrong? Just look at the Bible. That's hard to tell a non-believer, though, because they don't believe in the Bible. OK, what do you do then?? All you can do is pray about it, ask God to forgive them, etc. There's nothing more you can do, except have faith and be patient!
And then some people are just aggravating. They'll be like "I believe in monkeys as our Gods and we are all gay at heart, and all are witches that can cast spells on people and we'll all be happy in Monkey Heaven. Lalalalalala!" OK, no, I've never heard someone actually say that - but people do believe in the most outlandish things that aren't sensible or reasonable. At least Christianity is reasonable. We were created and put on Earth for a distinct purpose, and if you accept Jesus as your savior and ask for forgiveness from your sins, then there's Christianity for you. Sounds a lot better than Monkey Heaven, doesn't it?
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